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« on: February 07, 2010, 12:01:04 AM »

A Method for Obtaining a One or Two Shot Rifle Boresight Zero

Updated 3/31/10

Until today, it has been too cold for the old bones to go outside and boresight my new rifle/scope setup.  As such, I have had plenty of time to research the topic and come up with an alternative, better, set of directions to get the job done over what most laser bore sights come with.

First, mount and level the scope with the Wheeler level-level-level kit or with two small spirit levels that might be had from your local home improvement store.  This will get your rifle and your scope on the same vertical  and horizontal axis.  You might have to get creative with finding a spot on the rifle to place a level.  The top turret of the scope generally works for the second level.

Next, get a laser boresight.  I chose the type that fits into the chamber and projects the laser beam right down the barrel.  These can be had for as little as $25.  I chose the chamber boresight made by Sightmark as it is solidly built, fully chambers in my Savage 10 fcp and is on the money as far as the laser position indicates.  The device does not use sleeves, a plus in my opinion.  It would seem to be a bargain at under $30 not including shipping.  I would advise that you lay in two sets of spare batteries.  My Sightmark uses two small button batteries that lasted about 20-30 minutes in daylight, even though the target is in light shade.  Battery life in other makes may be under one hour.

Place some plastic wrap over the end of the barrel.  Make sure the wrap covers the bore smoothly.  No matter the type of in-chamber boresight you choose you should do steps A thru C at least once to check centering.
 
A.  Then, turn on the laser and insert it into the chamber.  Gently snug but do not fully close/seat the bolt.  Without looking directly into the bore or at the laser beam, note where on the wrap the laser is hitting.  It is likely not perfectly centered in the bore. 

B.  Open the bolt, remove the laser from the chamber enough to give it a 1/4 turn clockwise.  Reinsert laser, snug bolt, and observe where the dot hits.  If not centered repeat step B until the laser is centered in the bore.

C.  Carefully remove the laser straight back out of the bore and note the location on the laser that is on top.  Make a mark so that you can repeat the location when we go outdoors to finish the sight in process.

I decided to use premium ammo to do the range zero.  I selected Federal 168 gr, .308, Gold Medal Match.  I looked up the ballistics data on the Federal website.  I then used the FREE Point Blank ballistic software from the guys at www.HuntingNut.com to get the data for a 100 yard zero for my ammo.  Point Blank tells me that with my scope mounted 2.1 inches from the bore, center-to-center that my laser beam will hit a target at 25 yards, 1.1 inches below the point of aim.  Using a free, fine-lined target found on the web I marked a spot on the target exactly 1.1 inches below the center-cross-haired bulls eye.

On the next Finally, a decent day, I ventured outside and set up the rifle in a gun vise positioned to aim at my custom marked and leveled target.  (I used a carpenters level to set the target, this so I can check my scope reticle level.)  I measured the 75 feet as being from the target to the mid-point of the scope, lengthwise and the front end of the barrel.  This advice was found on the "Horus" http://www.horusvision.com/ website and makes good sense.  Long distance shooters may wish to take a look at their products.  I leveled the rifle using spirit levels, as described above.

I then repeated step B above and confirmed that the laser spot is in the middle of the bore.  I then centered the laser on the marked spot, 1.1 inches below the center bull.  Note that the laser beam is about one-inch in diameter at this distance and not uniform.  That done, I adjusted the elevation and windage until the scope cross hairs are centered on the bull.  With my 20 MOA base, I will have to come down 24 MOA, I think, as each click will be 1/32 inch at 25 yds.  The above assuming my reticle is centered in the elevation and windage range of the scope.  Note: The reticle leveling done in the scope mounting process was on the money.

Finally, after a couple of weeks I had a chance to go to the range on a windy 65 degree day.  The first task was to break in the barrel on my new Savage 10 fcp using the David Tubb, Final Finish process.  Before the break-in I fired one shot at a 100 yd sight-in target.  The shot was 5.5 inches low and 2.5 inches left.  (I had hoped for better.) Wind was cross range from the left rear at a flag snapping 20-25 mph.  I then followed the Tubb process, firing 20 rounds of his specially coated ammunition in groups of 5 with a thorough bore cleaning at the start and every five shots until finished. I used a moderately strong copper removing cleaner, Sweet's 7.62.  I expected to see a fair amount of copper fouling which many had said would be the norm.  Surprisingly, I observed hardly any copper fouling from start to finish.  The faint blue on my patches can probably be attributed to the phosphor-bronze brush used in the cleaning.  Other than having a very finely made barrel, I can't explain the discrepancy in what I was led to believe from multiple sources on other websites.  On finishing the Tubb break-in, I fired one more Federal Gold Medal Match and noted that it targeted about 1/2 inch higher than my first Federal GMM, fired from a pristine virgin rifle.

After adjusting the Millet 6X25 30 mm Buck-Gold scope for zero, I fired four 3-shot groups.  Each group was from a different manufacturer these being Federal, Ultramax (re-manufactured), HSM, and Corbon.  Except for the Ultramax, the quality of the ammunition was graded as match.  Another surprise!  Firing from a bipod on a bench in a stiff crosswind I managed to get two .9 in, c-c groups, a 1.1 inch and a 1.15 inch group.  It would appear that my Savage 10 is a winner.  Once again, the cleaning was quick, easy and showed almost no copper fouling.

To restate,  my original theory was that I should be able to go to the range and be close to the bull with my first shot at 100 yds. Given the low budget laser bore sight, which I suspect was the cause of my less than hoped for first-shot accuracy I will contend that the methods used did achieve the goal, obtaining good results at low cost.  It is almost agony to see a guy fire a whole bunch of rounds at a target only 25 or 50 yards away and consistently miss by a bunch.  If this method helps avoid all the possible mistakes that Murphy says can and will happen, then maybe the extra care and steps involved is worth the effort.

Should I get the chance, I would like to try the method again with a higher quality laser such as the products made by Site-Lite.

Next time out, I will set up a vertical marked target about 30 inches high with a bold vertical line, in the middle, from top to bottom, and a bold horizontal line from side to side near the bottom.  I will use this target to insure that my scope is not canted to the left or right, using a live-fire technique.  Cant can be a major problem at long ranges.

Now, I realize that most any method that will get you on the paper at 100 yds will allow you to refine your zero point with X number of cartridges fired.  My procedure was a challenge to see if a theory, developed on a cold Winter day, could be successfully put to practice thereby saving $1.80 per shot several times over. 


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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 03:46:01 PM »

Nice write up... very complete!

I just use the old look down the bore and adjust the scope. Last rifle I did was 3/4 MOA right of perfect. I had to bore sight and hit paper with the first shot from my son's 223 at 500yds F-class once (long story as to why it wasn't already zeroed). I had my doubts but once I had it bore sighted I just came up 13 MOA and.... bingo "7" ring.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 05:24:14 PM »

Personally, I use Leupold's little magnetic bore-sighter, which is pretty slick. Stick it on, center your crosshair with the bore-sighter's cross hair, remove it, fire a round, then keeping the bore-sighter crosshair on the point of aim, adjust your scope's crosshair to the point of impact. Fire another round and SHAZAAM! You're usually within a click or two of zero vertical and horizontal.

Also, you should try out Bore Tech's 'ELIMINATOR' cleaning fluid, it works fantastically. I recently purchased a borescope to see how my barrels were, and was amazed at the effectiveness of ELIMINATOR at cleaning my barrels. Plus it's odorless, is a fluid (unlike Sweets: GOOP!), and works well on both carbon and copper,... and it's an easy process:

Run three soaked patches down a fowled bore 'til you see the fluid dripping out of the muzzle. Then run an appropriately sized NYLON brush, soaked with ELIMINATOR, 10-20 times through the bore. Then run three more soaked patches through and let it sit for 10 minutes,... Once done, dry patch it all out and you're good to go.

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 06:57:24 PM »

I REALLY need some of that Bore Tech... Hany has been pushing me to use it for some time. He should be a rep for them or something  Grin. Have you been out shooting your 260 since the match?
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 10:49:14 AM »

Ryan:

Your description of the Leupold and it's ease of use could take out the drawbacks of a laser.  The laser is hard to see in most any brightness of daylight unless you get one of the expensive types that have high power, a reflector, or is a green laser.  I am going to add a bicycle-reflective-tape-dot to my laser target in hopes that it will make the laser spot easily visible in the daytime.  I would like to try the Leupold!  Sometimes the less complicated solution is indeed the best one to use.

I had three types of cleaner in my bag.  Blue Wonder, Sweet's 7.62 (recommended by David Tubb among others), and your Bore Tech, Eliminator.  I will use the Eliminator next time out at the range.

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2010, 07:01:51 PM »

Nice write up... very complete!

I'll have to agree with Lucas here, nice write up!

I said I was gunna just lurk but I can't help myself in asking some questions and share'n some knowledge. Plus since it's Sunday where I am and I'm bored and surf'n the net.....

Roger, I just recently acquired one of those Wheeler scope mounting kits and I plan on using it when I get home.

One question I had was about the ring lapping. How critical is this?

Question two I asked Sean in that email I sent him, it was about the "come up" lines on my Mark4. If I'm say up how do you bring it down? Do you have to shave some off the base of the bottom of the back ring? Or are you just stuck with it?

On the bore sighting I just look down the bore and tune it there, make the 1st shot, hold rifle on same place I was holding before, and then have a buddy move the reticule to the bullet hole. I had a guy at the range a few weeks back and he was trying to do this so I figured I would help him.... LOL I says are you on the center of the target, he says, "no on the bullet hole I wanna move it to the center" I says now just the opposite, he says, "I've done this before!" so I walk away.... He say down there 3 more hours with his screw driver and caps off.... I think he even went in and bought another box of cartridges or two...

I have my 7mmSTW tuned just right. I learned this level trick from Darrell Holland.

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Next time out, I will set up a vertical marked target about 30 inches high with a bold vertical line, in the middle, from top to bottom, and a bold horizontal line from side to side near the bottom.  I will use this target to insure that my scope is not canted to the left or right, using a live-fire technique.  Cant can be a major problem at long ranges.

He actually says to use a level to get your vertical mark. But as I have said previously, I ain't even used the turrets yet. I don't even know where I am with my "come up" marks. **prolly sound like a broken record here, but thanks again Sean for teaching this in your video**

That's enough ramble'n fer now and hopefully my questions are understandable. Sometimes what I'm thinking ain't what comes out on the Wink screen.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2010, 08:53:07 PM »

Other then a base that has a 10 to 20 moa cant on it there isn't a lot you can do.
For example my scope has 50 moa of internal adjustment and I have a 20 moa base for a total of 70 moa to use.   After I zeroed my rifle I used about 20 to get rifle zeroed and now have 50 to use.
I would not worry about what you got because it only takes about 20 to 25 moa to get to 1000 yards with a high powered rifle.  I am sure you told me but what gun has the Leupold on it?
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2010, 09:11:31 PM »

Yeah I don't know where I posted this at...  Get er done

Rifle~7MM STW
Barrel~Shilen
Bullet~Nosler Accubond
BC~0.485
Muzzle Vel~3300fps
Brass~Win
Primer~Fed GM215
Glass~Leupold Mark4 6.5~20X56mm TMR/Ill Retical
Rings~Leupold Mark4

This scope is AWESOME by the way! I had a Zeiss Divari on order and like yawls Millets it was on back order for 2 months and never made it... I canceled order and went with the Mark4. HAPPY!!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2010, 07:08:54 AM »

you should be fine then.
I would guess you have enough elevation to get out to about 1500 yards or so.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2010, 10:08:21 AM »

Psycobilly:

"Roger, I just recently acquired one of those Wheeler scope mounting kits and I plan on using it when I get home.

One question I had was about the ring lapping. How critical is this?"


I got around the problem of lapping the rings by using a set of Burris, Signature Zee rings.  The Signature Zee series incorporates a floating bushing in the ring that allows for self-centering and eliminates metal-to-metal contact between the ring and the scope tube eliminating any marring of the tube.  The Signature Zee series also came with Posi-Align bushings that when installed correctly can provide a range of adjustment of up to 20 MOA.  In my case I used a Picatinny 20 MOA base and the standard 0 MOA Signature inserts.  The correct Posi-Align inserts can also adjust for the base or rings being off-center.

I will admit that the Signature Zee series looks somewhat old fashioned and decidedly not tactical but, a lot of knowledgeable shooters use the Signature Zee's for their unique attributes and fairly low cost.  I am very pleased with the product.  Take a look at the Burris rings at http://www.burrisoptics.com/sigrings.html

Is Lapping Critical?  In my opinion, anything that might crimp or distort the scope-tube is serious. 

Roger

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2010, 12:33:03 PM »

thanks guys, I appreciate the feed back.

Rog, those Burris Zee Mounts are purdy kewl. I mainly got it fer the OL's rifle. I don't reckon there's any since in taking mine off as the Mark4 rings seem to be of HIGH quality and I can't justify pulling it down and jack'n with it. I plan on take'n the OL's scope off when I get home and lap'n the rings and use'n the level'n kit to see how it works.

I hate being at work and not being able to just go get in my safe and get my hands on my stuff man! sheeeesh, werk sux! lol


I made up this dope chart for my 7mm STW, can someone check it and see if I'm right? I sent it to sean but I can see he's busy as all get out with the forum and stuff. All of my rifle info is listed in the above post.

Yards ~ MOA Elevation Adjustments ~ CrossWind @ 10MPH Windage MOA Adjustments ~ 1/2 Wind MOA Adjustments ~1/4         
                       
                       
350    3.75        2.00        1.00    0.50
375    4.25        2.00        1.00    0.50
400    4.75        2.25        1.00    0.50
425    5.25        2.50        1.25    0.50
450    5.75        2.50        1.25    0.50
475    6.25        2.75        1.25    0.75
500    7.00        2.75        1.50    0.75
525    7.50        3.00        1.50    0.75
550    8.00        3.25        1.50    0.75
575    8.75        3.50        1.75    0.75
600    9.25        3.50        1.75    0.75
625    10.00        3.75        1.75    1.00
650    10.75        4.00        2.00    1.00
675    11.50        4.00        2.00    1.00
700    12.25        4.25        2.00    1.00
725    13.00        4.50        2.25    1.00
750    13.75        4.75        2.25    1.00
775    14.50        5.00        2.50    1.25
800    15.25        5.00        2.50    1.25
825    16.00        5.25        2.50    1.25
850    17.00        5.50        2.75    1.25
875    17.75        5.75        2.75    1.25
900    18.75        6.00        3.00    1.50
925    19.75        6.25        3.00    1.50
950    20.50        6.50        3.25    1.50
975    21.50        7.75        3.75    1.50
1000    22.50        7.75        3.75    1.75
 
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