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Sean P.
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« on: March 07, 2009, 08:57:04 AM »

I have shot the 210gr Bergers for about 2 years now.  I just got 2 box's of 208gr A-Max to see how they compare to the Bergers.  Mostly I want to see how they perform subsonic.  I just cant figure out how the A-Max has a higher BC (.648) over the Berger VLD (.618).  Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 12:36:12 PM »

BC's (or at least the type of BC's used) are figures that are subjective to velocity. There is no standard velocity that all companies rate their BC's for. Berger has recently reduced the veloctity that they rate their BC's (I beleive to 2800fps). There are different ways to rate a bullets ballistic efficiency, all companies rate G1 BC's and all ballistic calculators I know of use G1 BC's for calculations. The G7 BC is generally not dependent on veloctity and if ballistic calculators could use this figure instead of the G1 and all bullets were rated on a G7 there would probably be much better consistancy in ratings in the industry. The best way I know of to see how these bullets compare is to test the bullet from a perfect zero with a known muzzle velocity and reverse calculate the BC. Repeat the process with the other bullet and you'll know what youre getting in ballistic performance. If you can achieve nearly itentical MV's you're info will be very accurate (at least as a comparison between two bullets). Here's where I get information on subjects like this...

http://bryanlitz.bravehost.com/BCTest.html

Bryan is now the top ballistician at Berger, and one would be well advised to read all the articles on his site (I have to read them more than once  Huh?) in my opinion he's the best source of information. When I've contacted him in the past he has been extremely willing to answer any questions and help in any way.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 02:58:32 PM »

Bryan and I have talked before about the angle of repose of the 210 VLD.  For some reason when I was shooting at the steel at 1,900 yards I only had to dial about 58 min.  Which is far to flat shooting in my opinion.  I will know more when I shoot again this year to see if I can figure out whats going.  If I get similar drop with the 208 A-Max than maybe it just shoots flat, I don't know but we will see.  I know that I am still supersonic at 1,900 and according to my ballistic software I should be using more like 68 to 70 MOA.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 07:25:53 PM »

58 MOA for 1900 is super flat. I know you checked the adjustment in the scope, but I can't think what else it could be. Elevation and atmoshperic pressure would be hard pressed to make that much difference. Your future testing should be very interesting.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2009, 07:44:19 AM »

I did some playing around with my ballistic software trying to see what could cause such a big difference.
I left alone variables that I was sure of and I could not find any way to get that much change in drop. 
The theory is as the Berger VLD starts to drop it keeps its angle of repose higher and in a way glides through the air.( Theory )  So if and when I figure out whats going on I will write a big post about it.   
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2009, 02:59:28 PM »

I'll be looking forward to it.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2009, 05:18:21 PM »

 Get er done evening Gents...I put my new Millett scope on my Son's rifle before he left for Texas so he'd have a nice one. I am now ordering the LRS1 tomorrow and it should be here soon! I can hardly wait to see how the 208 AMax's run out of mine too. I purchased a box a few months ago and have loaded up some already....hhehhehhehe! Sniper 1
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 08:10:47 PM »

So where is the scope Mike  Wink  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2009, 07:04:45 PM »

 Sniper  Actually, I just ordered it this last Friday night...03/20/09! We'll see how long it takes to get it here...LOL. Spoke with Matt this evening after Home Group. He order his LRS-1 and they are telling him it will be another couple of weeks... So, who knows!  :{) Sniper 1
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 02:02:25 PM »

 Sniper It's working great too! So clear at 1932yards it is amazing! If I ever get another rifle, there will be an LRS1 on it for sure! Sniper
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