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« on: July 03, 2009, 06:14:18 AM »





Nothing went as planed.  First off we lost power the night before we left so our alarm clocks didn't go off on time.  Then we began to notice a loss of power on the hills outside of Jamestown, ND.  We pulled off for fuel and the old girl just wouldn't stay running so we had it towed to the Ford garage in town only to find that they wouldn't be able to work on it until Monday.  This was on a Thursday afternoon.  The Tow truck driver hooked us up with a truck repair outfit that said they would be able to fix us up the following morning.  We parked the RV in his parking lot and made camp right there.  The owner of the repair shop handed us the keys to his pickup and told us to feel free to use it to see the local sights.  We had all we needed in the Motor home so we declined his offer but thanked him for his kindness.  If you ever break down in North Dakota just hope you're close to Kevin and his boys at Buffalo City Diesel Repair.  They replaced the faulty fuel pump and had us back on the road in short order.

We have been shooting the same spot for four years.  It's public land and holds about 120 acres of Prairie Dogs.  Usually, three or four of us camp there for five days and have plenty of shooting without moving.

It started raining when we were about 25 miles from our destination.  The sky's turned black and the lightning began to flash as we turned off the highway.  The wind picked up and pelted us with rain and light hail as we made our way down the two track to our hunting site.  We wanted to get parked before the mud got too bad to make it. As quick as it started, the rain stopped and the wind died down.  Our two buddies, Bill and Tim, pulled in right behind us and we set up our campsite and shooting benches.  It was getting late but we still had plenty of daylight to get in a little shooting before dinner.



Saturday morning we had 10-15 MPH wind out of the  west and we were shooting to the north so it was a direct cross wind. It made it tough, and the .222's that Bill and Tim brought (They were new at this) had a tough time at 200-300 yards.  Mike and I were shooting 6MM's so we had a small advantage.  A few rainstorms blew through but for the most part, it was a fairly nice day of shooting.  Mike and I were both connecting regularly out to 600 yards and anything under 400 was dead meat.
 
Tim and Bill decided they had enough fun for one weekend and said they would head home on Sunday morning.  Mike and I were going to stay no matter what happened.  Tim cooked us a wonderful dinner and we all turned in with full stomachs and big smiles.
 
Sunday morning brought us clear sky's and no wind.  Bill and Tim headed out at 0530 so Mike and I had an early breakfast and started thinning out the Prairie Dog herd.  Mike was shooting a BSA single shot bolt action that I had put together and I was shooting my 6mm BR Remington.  Mike had installed a 6-18 Nikon Buckmaster mil dot scope.  We had shot it on the local range out to 600 yards to verify the 1000 yd dope sheet that I made up from an Excel spread sheet.  We had a wind meter to help us gage the wind and a Target rich environment to play with. 

 

On Monday Mike decided to try for an old dog that had been popping up at around 850 to 900 yards out.  It was the farthest hole we could see.  I had measured the distance to the road when I made my 836 yard shot a few years earlier so I knew this guy was going to be close to 900 yards.  We figured Mike needed 21 minutes of elevation and 9 minutes of windage to connect.  He dialed in the dope, set up the shot and squeezed it off.  I was watching the dog and as Mike fired, the dog ran for his hole, then ran the other way, then back toward his hole, then died.  At 900 yards his 75 VMAX has slowed to around 1400 FPS so the splat factor is gone.  The time of flight for that round is 1.290 seconds so Mike was able to get his scope back on the dog in time to see him expire.  We walked out to the dog and took a GPS measurement.  When I entered it into Google Earth we found the distance to be 915 yards. 

 

When we examined the dog we found a head wound without much damage.




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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 11:16:30 AM »

you guys should check into the ballistic software that I use Delta 4.
you can use GPS coordinates to range targets and setup target profiles for in this case PD towns and have your firing solution in seconds.  It is very very accurate it is more accurate than Exbal.
Mike and myself found that it predicted the flight path of our bullets at 1,932 yards with in a half MOA of impact.
We did not include Coriolis acceleration so that could make up the half MOA difference.
Here is a free Demo of the software to see if you like it.  You can also put it on a PDA so you can use it in the field.
The PDA version is different than the desktop version and is better setup for field use.

http://www.lextalus.com/Download/PSW4/PFS4.0-III.zip
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2009, 05:47:35 PM »

Thanks Sean.  That looks pretty cool.  My Palm died and I'm looking at picking up a net book to replace it.  Not sure how I'm going to go yet but Delta 4 will work on both.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 01:47:59 AM »

The best thing that I like about it is you can enter in your scope data so when you put in the range the firing solution looks like this     67.4 MOA (3) 15+2.  What that is telling me is to turn the dial 3 revolutions to number 15 plus 2 clicks.  So no counting  Cool
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 05:38:44 PM »

Now that really is handy.  I always turn my scope back to zero after a shot and counting backwards is always a pain.  I have miscounted and been 15 MOA above zero also.  What I really need is one of the new single revolution scopes.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 05:41:20 PM »

looks great man, hopefully when i go to SD next year i can get some prairie dog wackin in! Looks like a whole mess of fun!!! And thank goodness there is still some good people out there, someone lending them your truck isn't a normal thing where i live. Used to be like that but not anymore.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 06:31:48 AM »

looks great man, hopefully when i go to SD next year i can get some prairie dog wackin in! Looks like a whole mess of fun!!! And thank goodness there is still some good people out there, someone lending them your truck isn't a normal thing where i live. Used to be like that but not anymore.

Isn't a normal thing around here either.  Everyone we met in North Dakota was just great.  The few Ranchers who wouldn't let us shoot on their land were still friendly and directed us to Ranchers that would let us shoot. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 10:22:22 AM »


Saturday morning we had 10-15 MPH wind out of the  west and we were shooting to the north so it was a direct cross wind. It made it tough, and the .222's that Bill and Tim brought (They were new at this) had a tough time at 200-300 yards.  Mike and I were shooting 6MM's so we had a small advantage.  A few rainstorms blew through but for the most part, it was a fairly nice day of shooting.  Mike and I were both connecting regularly out to 600 yards and anything under 400 was dead meat.
 

I ran into a similar problem with my M700 VS 223 on my trip to Wyo. The crosswind was great training for developing marksmanship skills. The cost of components will keep me loyal to my 223. I found connecting beyond 400 pretty easy with the wind or in calm contions. The one thing I did do in my recent shoot is wear the skin down on my thumb shoving shells into the magazine.

But at the same time I am thinking about a 243 AI for beyond 300 in windy conditions. Not sure which twist I will go for, I am leaning towards a 1:9 so I can shoot the longer VLD bullets. Plus my favorite 6mm deer bullet, the 100gr Sierra SBT.

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 05:44:53 PM »


I ran into a similar problem with my M700 VS 223 on my trip to Wyo. The crosswind was great training for developing marksmanship skills. The cost of components will keep me loyal to my 223. I found connecting beyond 400 pretty easy with the wind or in calm contions. The one thing I did do in my recent shoot is wear the skin down on my thumb shoving shells into the magazine.

But at the same time I am thinking about a 243 AI for beyond 300 in windy conditions. Not sure which twist I will go for, I am leaning towards a 1:9 so I can shoot the longer VLD bullets. Plus my favorite 6mm deer bullet, the 100gr Sierra SBT.

Don

You might even look at an 8 twist for the 243 AI.  That would be a great long range combo and that is the twist Shilen recomends for VLD bullets over 100 grains.



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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2009, 09:28:24 PM »

 Sniper  That is so cool, thanks for sharing. Man I have got to go out and do some of that!!!   Sniper
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2010, 08:37:04 AM »

 Nice well writen thread Cheif

 Glad you ran into some good folks to help you fix your wagon.  I moved from my Native ND to Memphis TN. second highest Crime rate per cap in the USA. Alot of poor drivers and rude people.  Other parts of TN are fantastic.. Memphis not so much.

 Shooting Prairie rats is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.


 Only thing I dont miss about North Dakota is the dang Wind. Of course it has made me a much better shooter but dang... 15mph every day gets old.


Hope you enjoyed your time there.  With a State Population of 600,000 I might know your hunting area and hosts.


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